no.33 - the Amateur

Without prolonging this blog entry with the entirety of my post to the photography forum (which you can read here or here), suffice it to say the replies to my post consisted mostly of two sentiments.
One was that I had "waayy" too much time on my hands. The other was that I had not done my "study" with enough depth, breadth, or scientific rigor.
Many of the critiques posted both these criticisms at once, without any apparent awareness of the contradiction of suggesting I spent "waaaay" too much time in my research while simultaneously berating me for not having spent enough time in my research.
But I am not ready to declare irony dead, nor am I willing to write the experience off as a loss, because someone actually responded to my post thusly:
I would be lying if I said I did not take a bit of giddy glee in my reply: "That must be a real savings for you and your family." But my delight is really not something to be proud of as it is exactly the sort of belittling snipe that I dislike.
The amateur gynecologist did not provide a useful critique, but he did produce an amazing bit of writing. It reveals so much about the writer that I envy his ability to convey so much in so few words.
I could parse all day the self-satisfaction, the bravado, and what I hope is the writer's complete misunderstanding of the mechanics of the gynecological profession. But this is the thing about online forums everywhere - people may post with varying degrees of anonymity, but they still can not help but reveal themselves.
Consider, for a moment, the dozen or so postings in which someone in the forum, excited at his or her own wit, thought to elongate or emphasize the "way" in "waaaaay too much time." I don't blame them for not reading through all the posts - but it must be depressing to learn how woefully unoriginal you are when you look at yourself through an internet post.
The amatuer gynecologist was, I hope, unique.
Forum posts so often attempt to degrade or diminish others because, whether we want to admit it or not, we aren't so far from the chimpanzee cage. There is a fight for dominance and status even when there are bananas for everyone.
For example, take the sleepy arrogance of this response:
If you wish (and you have waaayy too much time on your hands) read here and here to see for yourself the many, many responses. This, I'm afraid, is the kind of virtual community we build for ourselves. What a shame that when we are put into these nearly consequence free worlds of semi-anonymity, we so often fail to muster the best of ourselves and rather bring out the worst.
One was that I had "waayy" too much time on my hands. The other was that I had not done my "study" with enough depth, breadth, or scientific rigor.
Many of the critiques posted both these criticisms at once, without any apparent awareness of the contradiction of suggesting I spent "waaaay" too much time in my research while simultaneously berating me for not having spent enough time in my research.
But I am not ready to declare irony dead, nor am I willing to write the experience off as a loss, because someone actually responded to my post thusly:
I'm more of an amateur gynecologist than you are an amateur statistician. At least I know where to look for *my* data. And I have direct knowledge of my customers' satisfaction.I'll give you a moment to digest.

The amateur gynecologist did not provide a useful critique, but he did produce an amazing bit of writing. It reveals so much about the writer that I envy his ability to convey so much in so few words.
I could parse all day the self-satisfaction, the bravado, and what I hope is the writer's complete misunderstanding of the mechanics of the gynecological profession. But this is the thing about online forums everywhere - people may post with varying degrees of anonymity, but they still can not help but reveal themselves.
Consider, for a moment, the dozen or so postings in which someone in the forum, excited at his or her own wit, thought to elongate or emphasize the "way" in "waaaaay too much time." I don't blame them for not reading through all the posts - but it must be depressing to learn how woefully unoriginal you are when you look at yourself through an internet post.
The amatuer gynecologist was, I hope, unique.
Forum posts so often attempt to degrade or diminish others because, whether we want to admit it or not, we aren't so far from the chimpanzee cage. There is a fight for dominance and status even when there are bananas for everyone.

"As a scientist... imagine how impressive I find your methodology to be."To which I wanted to reply, "As an artist, imagine how impressive I find your photography to be," but did not, because it would have reduced us to a state of virtual poo flinging and, to be honest, I kind of liked his photography. But he, like so many others, pretend to expect from my single post a complete scientific study, worthy of journal publication, because it allows him a sense of superiority.
If you wish (and you have waaayy too much time on your hands) read here and here to see for yourself the many, many responses. This, I'm afraid, is the kind of virtual community we build for ourselves. What a shame that when we are put into these nearly consequence free worlds of semi-anonymity, we so often fail to muster the best of ourselves and rather bring out the worst.
6 Comments:
Hi i have read your post on dpreview, and was a bit intrigued with the final conclusion.(C or N)
I have experienced some problems with canon also, abrand new 17-40 f4L, wich came from factory without some inner parts...do you believe this?
My e-mail is:
diegofreitas@netmadeira.com
Diego,
I don't really understand your question. Sorry.
Honestly I didnt spend much time reading through the replies. After the first 10 or so I could see the general trend.
However, I found it interesting that you chose to post in the forums for the canon 40D-10D and the Nikon D100-D300. These are nice cameras but the majority of them are not owned by professional photographers. Most of the owners are what I would classify as "avid amateurs" (I fall in this category and own a 30D).
I wonder if the replies would have been different if you posted in the 1D and D3 forums instead. I would hope they would be more professional than many of the posts I saw, but then again forums bring out some of the worst qualities in people...
James,
I chose those forums because I'm a 40D owner (and a professional), not because I set out to study human nature.
I don't know what other forums would do with the subject.
Ahem. You post a "startling" observation but intentionally withold your conclusion, and you have no desire to study human nature? What pray tell were you trying to accomplish? You weren't trying to be helpful and warn others based on your "scan" of 1,200 posts. You were inviting others to join in your compulsive comparision.
Yes, dpreview forums are often no better than a food fight and sometimes worse. I'd think after your scan that fact would be abundantly clear.
Nice illustrations. I like the block print look and your comic style. You got me to look — and I suspect that's the real reason for your "startling" post and persisent participation in the resulting threads. Unfortunately, your blog's not so interesting so I'll be a one-time visitor.
Demons to be wary of are the "Grandstander" who is genetically similar to the "Troll".
Hi Katsoulid. I've seen the thread in dpreview. unfortunately, that place is becoming less and less attractive to visit as the hostility is fast and furious.
as for your research, you have mentioned that you examined about 1,200 post from either camera. wouldn't that imply that you would get 1,200 complains on each camera?
also possible explanation could be related to the timing of the posts (in regard with new camera announcements), perceived benefits of the competitors (if the d300 has brilliant LCD, then I'm not happy with mt camera LCD...)
Anyway, it was interesting idea and I admire you for your patience to go through this.
btw I'm a d300 owner...
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